Make Progress or Savor the Moment: The surprising gift in learning to do both, episode 4

In this episode Cathy explores how our relentless drive for progress in a hyper-connected world leads to anxiety, exhaustion, and burnout. While a life drifting from moment to moment leads to stagnation and what author and organizational psychologist, Adam Grant calls “languishing.”

She makes the case that a life lived in the delicate and conscious balance of progress and presence is a life fueled by purpose and filled with meaning. When you can both dream and be awake to the moment to moment experience of your life, surprising gifts await you.

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Cathy Jacob

I'm Cathy Jacob. I am a writer, coach and co-founder of Fire Inside Leadership. After two decades of coaching leaders on how to inspire while navigating the challenges of demanding careers and lives, I’ve created this site to share the best of what I’ve learned from my courageous clients and leaders in the fields of psychology, leadership, philosophy and neuroscience on what it takes to live an inspired life.


  1. Donna Alteen on March 4, 2022 at 5:45 pm

    Wonderful podcast Cathy. I swear your voice alone regulates my parasympathetic nervous system!

    • Cathy Jacob on March 16, 2022 at 3:00 pm

      Lol! Good to know. Thanks for listening.

  2. Deb on March 4, 2022 at 6:11 pm

    As a retired teacher who spent over 30 years trying to convince students in a classroom to “live in the now” of a 40 minute lecture, I found this podcast most insightful. It’s true that some people are constantly restless and looking for something new while others are content to navel gaze. A balance, achieved with intention, can perhaps lead to a sense of purpose with contentment. Food for thought.

    • Cathy Jacob on March 16, 2022 at 2:59 pm

      Thanks for this, Deb.

  3. Gina Brown on March 4, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    Admittedly, at work, I’ve been a a slave to those never-ending To Do lists. And I never seem to catch on that as soon as one task is done, another one arrives. While in my personal life, I plan lightly, but save room for spontaneity, especially when I travel. That’s how I got an invitation to go night snorkeling in the coral reefs of Belize – and what a vivid memory! I think it’s a matter of finding a good balance.

    • Cathy Jacob on March 16, 2022 at 2:58 pm

      It’s interesting how we can find the right balance in one context and struggle with it in another. I love the notion of “planning lightly”. Thanks Gina.

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